Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/13/2008 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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Heard & Held
                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                     February 13, 2008                                                                                          
                         9:03 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman called the Senate  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 9:03:11 AM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Karen  Rehfeld, Director,  Office of  Management and  Budget;                                                                   
Pat Pitney,  Vice President, Budget and  Planning, University                                                                   
of   Alaska;    Nancy   Slagle,    Director,   Division    of                                                                   
Administrative  Services,  Department of  Transportation  and                                                                   
Public Facilities;  Pat Galvin,  Commissioner, Department  of                                                                   
Revenue; Michael D. Williams,  Chief Economist, Tax Division,                                                                   
Department of  Revenue; Jerry Burnett, Director,  Division of                                                                   
Administrative Services, Department of Revenue.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Michelle Rizk, Director of Budget,  University of Alaska; Pat                                                                   
Pitney, Vice Chancellor, Administrative  Services, University                                                                   
of Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 256    "An   Act   making   supplemental   appropriations,                                                                   
          capital   appropriations,   reappropriations,   and                                                                   
          other     appropriations;      amending     certain                                                                   
          appropriations;  ratifying   certain  expenditures;                                                                   
          making  appropriations  to  capitalize  funds;  and                                                                   
          providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          SB 256 was HEARD and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:03:19 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATE BILL NO. 256                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  making  supplemental  appropriations,  capital                                                                   
     appropriations,     reappropriations,      and     other                                                                   
     appropriations;    amending   certain    appropriations;                                                                   
     ratifying  certain expenditures;  making  appropriations                                                                   
     to  capitalize funds;  and  providing  for an  effective                                                                   
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Statewide Aviation:  Funding   for   Southeast                                                                   
     Airport Leasing Officer                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  of  this  existing  position,  located  in                                                                   
          Juneau,  will  increase  the  direct  contact  with                                                                   
          airport  tenants  and  on-site  airport  management                                                                   
          personnel  which will lead  to better oversight  of                                                                   
          airport   tenant   operations.   Duties   of   this                                                                   
          position  include negotiating  leases, permits  and                                                                   
          concession   agreements   that  generate   revenues                                                                   
          sufficient to cover the costs of this position.                                                                       
                                                      $35,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES (DOT/PF),                                                                   
stated  the  item  requests  $35,000   in  receipt  supported                                                                   
services authority  to add a  position for a leasing  officer                                                                   
for  Southeast  region to  deal  with rural  airport  leasing                                                                   
issues.  There  is  a  backlog  of  work  that  needs  to  be                                                                   
addressed. The  receipt supported  services are generated  by                                                                   
airport leasing revenues that the position would collect.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Measurement  Standards and Commercial  Vehicle                                                                   
     Enforcement: Travel to remote sites for inspections.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Alaskan  businesses are more frequently  requesting                                                                   
          Weights  and  Measure   Inspectors  to  perform  an                                                                   
          inspection  or re-inspection outside of  the normal                                                                   
          inspection  cycle. When  this occurs, the  business                                                                   
          requesting  the inspection  agrees to  pay for  all                                                                   
          costs  associated with the  trip. In the  past, the                                                                   
          overall  amount  of  trips  was  minimal,  but  the                                                                   
          number of  trips has been steadily  increasing over                                                                   
          the  past several years  as companies become  aware                                                                   
          of this service.                                                                                                      
                                                      $30,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle reported the item as  requesting receipt supported                                                                   
services authority  for measurement standards  and commercial                                                                   
vehicle enforcement. It allows  the department to receive and                                                                   
expend  monies  for  third  party  individuals  requesting  a                                                                   
certification  of  weighing  or measuring  devices  in  rural                                                                   
areas. The  requests are outside  the normal routine  or have                                                                   
failed previous  inspection. The  community provides  funding                                                                   
for the department to travel to do the inspection.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. State  Equipment Fleet:  Credit card  payments                                                                   
     for increased cost of fuel.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          The   State   Equipment   Fleet   (SEF)   maintains                                                                   
          contracts which  allow a vehicle credit  card to be                                                                   
          used  to purchase fuel  and necessary  consumables.                                                                   
          These  charges   are  paid  directly   by  SEF  and                                                                   
          subsequently,  SEF  bills  executive  branch  state                                                                   
          agencies for reimbursement.                                                                                           
                                                     $326,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle informed  the committee  that  the item  requests                                                                   
funds for  the equipment fleet  to receive and  expend monies                                                                   
specifically  related  to  fuel  costs. They  hold  the  main                                                                   
contract for all  state vehicles for fuel and  administer the                                                                   
credit card process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Central  Region Facilities:  Fuel and  Utility                                                                   
     Increases.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Fuel  prices continue  to be  higher than our  base                                                                   
          funding   level  of  $1.84/gallon   and  additional                                                                   
          funding provided  through Sec 22, Ch  28, SLA 2007.                                                                   
          Likewise,   utility  rates  (electricity,   natural                                                                   
          gas,  water/sewer, waste  disposal) have  continued                                                                   
          to   rise    and   require   additional    funding.                                                                   
          Janitorial  Contract   Increases  $58.4  -  Central                                                                   
          Region  Facilities   has  12  janitorial  contracts                                                                   
          that  service  18  facilities   throughout  Central                                                                   
          Region. Numerous  contracts expired and  were rebid                                                                   
          resulting in net price increases.                                                                                     
                                                     $315,800                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Northern  Region Facilities: Fuel  and Utility                                                                   
     Increases                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Fuel  prices continue  to be  higher than our  base                                                                   
          funding   level  of  $1.93/gallon   and  additional                                                                   
          funding provided  through Sec 22, Ch  28, SLA 2007.                                                                   
          Likewise,   utility  rates  (electricity,   natural                                                                   
          gas,  water/sewer, waste  disposal) have  continued                                                                   
          to rise and require additional funding.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Southeast Region Facilities: Fuel Increases                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Fuel  prices continue  to be  higher than our  base                                                                   
          funding   level  of  $2.37/gallon   and  additional                                                                   
          funding provided  through Sec 22, Ch  28, SLA 2007.                                                                   
          Janitorial  Contract Increases  $35.1 - The  Juneau                                                                   
          7-Mile  Complex,  AMHS  Reservations  Building  and                                                                   
          the  Ketchikan   Court  and  Office   Building  are                                                                   
          currently  under contract for janitorial  services.                                                                   
          In  June 2006,  the three year  contracts for  both                                                                   
          7-Mile Complex  and the AMHS Reservations  Building                                                                   
          were scheduled  to expire. In May  2006 Invitations                                                                   
          to   Bid  were  advertised   for  new   three  year                                                                   
          contracts.  The low bid for this  combined contract                                                                   
          came  in  higher than  the  total of  the  previous                                                                   
          contracts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  explained   that  the  three  items   relate  to                                                                   
DOT/PF's three  regional facilities components.  The majority                                                                   
of  the items  request  funding  for  fuel and  utility  cost                                                                   
increases.  She   reminded  the   committee  of   a  separate                                                                   
appropriation  that  has  provided  for  fuel  and  utilities                                                                   
above what is  in the department's base, and  emphasized that                                                                   
the  appropriation was  not increased  for FY  08; the  items                                                                   
cover increases  above that amount. In addition,  the Central                                                                   
and  Southeast  Region  items  include  increased  costs  for                                                                   
janitorial  contracts that  were  changed through  re-bidding                                                                   
or through expiration and re-bidding.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle commented  that the next three items  were related                                                                   
to increased fuel costs, specific to highways and aviation:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Central Region Highways and Aviation     Fuel                                                                    
     and Utility Increases                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Fuel  prices continue  to be  higher than our  base                                                                   
          funding   level  of  $1.84/gallon   and  additional                                                                   
          funding provided  through Sec 22, Ch  28, SLA 2007.                                                                   
          Likewise,   utility  rates  (electricity,   natural                                                                   
          gas,  water/sewer, waste  disposal) have  continued                                                                   
          to rise and require additional funding.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Northern Region Highways and Aviation    Fuel                                                                    
     and Utility Increases                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Fuel  prices continue  to be  higher than our  base                                                                   
          funding   level  of  $2.01/gallon   and  additional                                                                   
          funding provided  through Sec 22, Ch  28, SLA 2007.                                                                   
          Likewise,   utility  rates  (electricity,   natural                                                                   
          gas,  water/sewer, waste  disposal) have  continued                                                                   
          to rise and require additional funding.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Southeast Region Highways and Aviation Fuel                                                                      
     and Utility Increases                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Fuel  prices continue  to be  higher than our  base                                                                   
          funding   level  of  $1.84/gallon   and  additional                                                                   
          funding provided  through Sec 22, Ch  28, SLA 2007.                                                                   
          Likewise,   utility  rates  (electricity,   natural                                                                   
          gas,  water/sewer, waste  disposal) have  continued                                                                   
          to   rise    and   require   additional    funding.                                                                   
          Skagway   Lease  Increase   $51.0  -  The   Skagway                                                                   
          maintenance  station sits  on leased property.  The                                                                   
          lease is  required in order to retain  legal rights                                                                   
          to  use  the  property.  Commodity  Increases:  The                                                                   
          harsh  winter  of  2006-2007  in  Southeast  Alaska                                                                   
          diminished  levels of available chemicals  and sand                                                                   
          used  on roads and  airports to  a very low  level.                                                                   
          This   necessitated    the   purchase   of   larger                                                                   
          quantities  of  both to  provide  for the  upcoming                                                                   
          2007-2008   winter   season.   Additionally,   snow                                                                   
          plowing blades  were used heavily and  were in need                                                                   
          of replacement.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle added  that the  item for  Southeast region  also                                                                   
includes $51,000 for a new lease  for the maintenance station                                                                   
in Skagway. The station is on  private land that was recently                                                                   
purchased  by another  private  investor.  The department  is                                                                   
looking  at purchasing  the land  in the  future, which  will                                                                   
require approximately  $475,000 in capital budget  funds. The                                                                   
Southeast item also includes a  commodity increase related to                                                                   
winter chemical and sand purchases.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:09:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          IBU  [Inland   Boatman's  Union  of   the  Pacific]                                                                   
          arbitration  settlement  related  to the  grounding                                                                   
          of the M/V LeConte.                                                                                                   
                                                     $142,500                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle explained  that when the M/V LeConte  went aground                                                                   
in  2004,  there  was  no  language  in  the  union  contract                                                                   
allowing  the   department  to  contract  out   for  services                                                                   
without  using  Marine  Highway   employees.  The  department                                                                   
needed to continue  providing services to Alaskans  and other                                                                   
passengers,  but without  that language,  the department  was                                                                   
in violation  of the contracts.  An arbitrator  found against                                                                   
the  state  and  is requiring  payment  of  $142,500  to  the                                                                   
union.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          MMP  [International Organization  of Masters  Mates                                                                   
          and Pilots]  arbitration settlement related  to the                                                                   
          grounding of the M/V LeConte.                                                                                         
                                                    $251, 400                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle stated  that the item was for the  MMP settlement.                                                                   
Language added to  the contracts allowed the  state to expand                                                                   
out-port   service,    but   arbitration    determined   that                                                                   
inadequate  notification was  provided to  the union  for the                                                                   
contracting services.  The new language required  thirty days                                                                   
notice,  which does  not  apply  to emergency  response.  The                                                                   
department  is   still  working  to  understand   appropriate                                                                   
timing  of   notifications.  The  department   believed  that                                                                   
signing the  contract for  the services for  a month  out and                                                                   
letting  the  union  know  about  it at  the  same  time  was                                                                   
adequate notice.  The arbitrator  said that  it needed  to be                                                                   
at the  time of the  RFP being issued.  The department  is in                                                                   
negotiations  to be able  to respond  in future to  emergency                                                                   
situations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:11:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                         
          The  Alaska Marine Highway  System (AMHS)  projects                                                                   
          fuel  cost  increases  of $1,880.0  due  to  higher                                                                   
          than  expected  prices.   The  AMHS  FY08  business                                                                   
          plan    reflects   a    fuel   budget   based    on                                                                   
          $2.60/gallon.    AMHS     is    currently    paying                                                                   
          $3.00/gallon  and  burning   10.2  million  gallons                                                                   
          annually.  Another 4.7 million  gallons are  yet to                                                                   
          be purchased this year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  noted that  the item  covers fuel cost  increases                                                                   
for the Alaska Marine Highway system.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Section 10 - 12.    Capital    Ports and Harbors:  Long Range                                                                   
     Transportation Plan                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  to prepare a  statewide ports  and harbors                                                                   
          plan,  to  be  undertaken  cooperatively  with  the                                                                   
          Corps  of  Engineers  and  the  Denali  Commission.                                                                   
          Supplemental  funding is  requested as the  Request                                                                   
          for Proposals  (RFP) to  develop a long  range port                                                                   
          and  harbor transportation plan  is expected  to be                                                                   
          advertised in May of 2008.                                                                                            
                                                     $500,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle described  the capital budget request  to pursue a                                                                   
ports  and  harbors long-range  transportation  plan,  called                                                                   
"2030". The  draft 2030 transportation  plan made  it evident                                                                   
that this  area is lacking.  The department has  been working                                                                   
with the Corps  of Engineers and the Denali  Commission to go                                                                   
forward  with  a  plan;  both   organizations  are  providing                                                                   
matching funds. This is a change  in direction for the state,                                                                   
which has  been attempting  to divest  ports and harbors  and                                                                   
hand them over to local communities.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:13:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(a). Traffic  Signal Management: Anchorage  Traffic                                                                   
     Signal TORA (Transfer of Responsibility Agreement)                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          The  Department  reached   an  agreement  with  the                                                                   
          Municipality  of Anchorage  in  2005 for  continued                                                                   
          maintenance  and operation  of the State's  traffic                                                                   
          and  street  lights  in  downtown  Anchorage.  This                                                                   
          agreement  allows  for  an increase  based  on  the                                                                   
          Consumer Price  Index (CPI) and  additional signals                                                                   
          in future years.                                                                                                      
                                                      $97,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle explained  that the  item would  provide CPI  for                                                                   
contracts  the state has  had for  maintaining street  lights                                                                   
and traffic  signals in  the municipality  of Anchorage.  The                                                                   
state has a transfer of responsibility  agreement (TORA) with                                                                   
the  municipality  that  they  provide  the  maintenance  and                                                                   
upkeep for the lights and signals.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(b). Capital:    Airport     Improvement    Program                                                                   
     Appropriation                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          The     FY08    Airport     Improvement     Program                                                                   
          appropriation  increases  by  $1,500.0 due  to  the                                                                   
          allocation change below:                                                                                              
          Sec 1, Ch 30, SLA 2007, Pg 105, Ln 27                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Section   15(c).   Capital:   Airport   Improvement   Program                                                                   
     Allocation                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Amend Unalaska:  Airport Environmental  Analysis by                                                                   
          $1,500.0 from $1,500.0 to $3,000.0                                                                                    
          Sec 1, Ch 30, SLA 2007, Pg 110, Lns 8-10                                                                              
          Updated  planning  information  is  needed  by  the                                                                   
          Federal  Aviation  Administration   (FAA)  for  use                                                                   
          during the  preparation of an Environmental  Impact                                                                   
          Statement  (EIS) for  improvements to the  airport.                                                                   
          The  FAA would  like to  begin work  on the EIS  in                                                                   
          March  to take  full  advantage of  the 2008  field                                                                   
          season  for data collection  and analysis.  This is                                                                   
          the   second   phase  of   the   project  and   the                                                                   
          contractor  is already  on board.  This project  is                                                                   
          ready to go forward now.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle described  the first  item  as the  appropriation                                                                   
level for  the airport improvement  program line;  the second                                                                   
item  represents the  actual allocation  for  an increase  to                                                                   
complete an environmental analysis  for the Unalaska airport.                                                                   
This  is  federal receipt  authority.  The  Federal  Aviation                                                                   
Administration is managing the  project but has to direct the                                                                   
money through the  state. The project is in  its second phase                                                                   
and ready to move forward.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:15:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(d). Capital:   Surface    Transportation   Program                                                                   
     Appropriation                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          The    FY08    Surface    Transportation    Program                                                                   
          appropriation  increases  by  $5,000.0 due  to  the                                                                   
          allocation change below:                                                                                              
          Sec 4, Ch 30, SLA 2007, Pg 110, Lns 15-16.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(e). Capital:   Surface    Transportation   Program                                                                   
     Allocation                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Amend     Anchorage:     Old     Seward     Highway                                                                   
          Reconstruction,   O'Malley  Road   to  Brandon   by                                                                   
          $5,000.0     from     $11,500.0    to     $16,500.0                                                                   
         Sec 4, Ch 30, SLA 2007, Pg 111, Lns 30-33                                                                              
          The   need  for  additional   funding  is   due  to                                                                   
          adjustments  in the engineer's estimate  to reflect                                                                   
          increased  costs  due   to  inflation.  Fast  track                                                                   
          supplemental  funding  is  necessary  to  advertise                                                                   
          and award  the construction contract  in the spring                                                                   
          to allow for a full first season of construction.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  described the paired  items as the  appropriation                                                                   
and allocation levels for an increase  for reconstructing the                                                                   
Old Seward Highway. Additional  adjustments to the engineer's                                                                   
estimate will require $5 million.  The project is ready to go                                                                   
to construction in the spring.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(f). Capital:    Airport     Improvement    Program                                                                   
     Appropriation                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          The     FY06    Airport     Improvement     Program                                                                   
          appropriation  increases  by  $1,880.0 due  to  the                                                                   
          allocation changes below:                                                                                             
          Sec 1, Ch 3, FSSLA 2005, Pg 69, Ln 11.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(g). Capital:    Airport     Improvement    Program                                                                   
     Allocation                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Amend  Ekwok: Snow  Removal  Equipment Building  by                                                                   
          $680.0 from $820.0 to $1,500.0                                                                                        
         Sec 1, Ch 3, FSSLA 2005, Pg 70, Lns 32-33                                                                              
          The  increased construction  cost is primarily  due                                                                   
          to cost  increases in fuel and  building materials.                                                                   
          This project  will be ready to advertise  in April.                                                                   
          The  Federal  Aviation   Administration  wants  the                                                                   
          state  to  use  these   grant  funds  as  early  as                                                                   
          possible  so that the  benefits from their  use can                                                                   
          be achieved as quickly as possible.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle covered the appropriation  and allocation requests                                                                   
related to the  airport improvement program.  The second item                                                                   
is  a request  for an  amendment  to the  Ekwok snow  removal                                                                   
equipment building, which needs  replacement. The increase is                                                                   
due to  a refined  engineer's estimate.  The project  will be                                                                   
ready to advertise in April.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(h). Capital:    Airport     Improvement    Program                                                                   
     Allocation                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Amend  Seldovia:  Snow Removal  Equipment  Building                                                                   
          Construction by $1,200.0 from $700.0 to $1,900.0                                                                      
         Sec 1, Ch 3, FSSLA 2005, Pg 73, Lns 16-18                                                                              
          The  increased construction  cost is primarily  due                                                                   
          to cost  increases in fuel and  building materials.                                                                   
          This  project   will  be  ready  to   advertise  in                                                                   
          February.   The  Federal  Aviation   Administration                                                                   
          wants the  state to use these grant  funds as early                                                                   
          as  possible so  that the benefits  from their  use                                                                   
          can be achieved as quickly as possible.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  turned  to  the  next  item  covering  increased                                                                   
design  and  construction  costs   for  a  new  snow  removal                                                                   
building in Seldovia.  The item is an increase  over previous                                                                   
authorization.   The   project    is   ready   to   advertise                                                                   
immediately.  The   Federal  Aviation  Administration   wants                                                                   
DOT/PF to get the project going as soon as possible.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(i). Capital:   Surface    Transportation   Program                                                                   
     Allocation                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          The    FY05    Surface    Transportation    Program                                                                   
          appropriation  increases  by  $3,000.0 due  to  the                                                                   
          allocation change below:                                                                                              
         Sec 1, Ch 159, SLA 2004, Pg 40, Lns 12-13                                                                              
          Amend  Haines:  Ferry   Terminal  to  Union  Street                                                                   
          [THROUGH  TOWN TO OLD  HAINES HIGHWAY]  by $3,000.0                                                                   
          from $13,000.0 to $16,000.0                                                                                           
          Sec 15(b)(5), Ch 6, SLA 2005, Pg 24, Lns 13-14                                                                        
          This project  is ready to bid and  construction can                                                                   
          occur  as  early  as this  spring  if  supplemental                                                                   
          authorization  is  provided.  This  timeframe  will                                                                   
          allow  full advantage  of this year's  construction                                                                   
          season.    This   additional    authorization    is                                                                   
          requested  to fully  cover the engineer's  estimate                                                                   
          as  well as  inflationary  factors occurring  after                                                                   
          the  development of  the estimate.  In addition,  a                                                                   
          scope  change has been  requested. At the  start of                                                                   
          this  project in  1996,  the terminus  on the  town                                                                   
          side  was identified as  "Mud Bay Road".  This term                                                                   
          proved  to be  confusing to  community members.  In                                                                   
          response,  DOT&PF  has determined  that  it was  in                                                                   
          the best  interest to  define the terminus  side of                                                                   
          town  as  "Union  Street".   This  terminus  avoids                                                                   
          confusion  as to  the limits  of construction  work                                                                   
          within the city center of Haines.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle defined  the  allocation as  a  combination of  a                                                                   
project  name change  and  the addition  of  $3 million.  She                                                                   
described community confusion  regarding where the project is                                                                   
located; the department  believes a name change  will clarify                                                                   
that. Additional funding is needed  to cover increased costs.                                                                   
Construction can begin in the spring.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:19:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(j). Capital:   Surface    Transportation   Program                                                                   
     Appropriation                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          The    FY02    Surface    Transportation    Program                                                                   
          appropriation  increases   by  $750.0  due  to  the                                                                   
          allocation change below:                                                                                              
          Sec 1, Ch 61, SLA 2001, Pg 35, Ln 19.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(k). Capital:   Surface    Transportation   Program                                                                   
     Allocation                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Amend Ketchikan:  Tongass - Third  Avenue Extension                                                                   
          Completion by $750.0 from $10,000.0 to $10,750.0                                                                      
          Sec 1, Ch 61, SLA 2001, Pg 41, Lns 18-21                                                                              
          This project  adds a new  route for storm  water to                                                                   
          reach  tidewater, and  is necessary  to respond  to                                                                   
          neighborhood  problems concerning current  drainage                                                                   
          patterns.   These  urgently  needed   changes  will                                                                   
          prevent  damage  to  private properties  from  high                                                                   
          water  flows  on the  downhill  side  of the  Third                                                                   
          Avenue  Bypass.  This  funding  is needed  so  that                                                                   
          construction  bids can  be solicited  early in  the                                                                   
          year,   before  heavier   rainfall  later   in  the                                                                   
          season.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle described  the two items as the  appropriation and                                                                   
allocation  levels  to  amend   the  Ketchikan  Tongass-Third                                                                   
Avenue extension  completion. The project has  been completed                                                                   
except  for drainage  problems that  need to  be resolved  to                                                                   
avoid impact  to private homes.  The installation of  the new                                                                   
drainage has  environmental approval  and can be  constructed                                                                   
once the easements are obtained.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(l). Capital Appropriation:    Susitna Valley  High                                                                   
     School Rural Beacon System                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Funds   are  requested   to  cover  the   emergency                                                                   
          installation   of  a   temporary  school   crossing                                                                   
          beacon  system at the  Susitna Valley High  School.                                                                   
          Last   summer,   the  permanent   school   building                                                                   
          sustained  catastrophic fire  damage rendering  the                                                                   
          school  facility unusable.  Subsequently,  portable                                                                   
          temporary  school  facilities were  set  up at  the                                                                   
          local senior  center to house the students  for the                                                                   
          next   two  school   years,  while  the   permanent                                                                   
          building    is   reconstructed.   This    temporary                                                                   
          facility  is  directly  across  the  Parks  Highway                                                                   
          from  the permanent  location, causing students  to                                                                   
          cross the highway to get to and from classes.                                                                         
                                                     $180,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  detailed the  request to cover  the cost  for the                                                                   
emergency installation of a temporary  school crossing beacon                                                                   
in  Susitna.  Last  summer the  Susitna  Valley  High  School                                                                   
burned down  and the students  are temporarily housed  in the                                                                   
senior  center,  which  necessitates  students  crossing  the                                                                   
Parks  Highway. An  emergency beacon  system was  set up  for                                                                   
safety.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:21:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 26(a). Capital: Appropriation                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Amend:  Emergency and  Non-Routine Repairs  (Sec 1,                                                                   
          Ch 82, SLA  2006, Pg 85, Lns 17-18)  by $128.2 from                                                                   
          $250.0  to $378.2 to cover  the costs of  the Kenai                                                                   
          Peninsula  Flood  -  $48.2  and  the  Copper  River                                                                   
          Highway - $80.0.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  pointed out that  DOT/PF did not  receive capital                                                                   
funds  in the  current  fiscal year  for  emergency and  non-                                                                   
routine  maintenance.  The  item   requests  funds  for  work                                                                   
related  to the  Kenai Peninsula  flood in  November, and  to                                                                   
address  erosion on the  Sterling Highway,  the Copper  River                                                                   
Highway, and in Ninilchik.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section 26(b). Capital: Scope Change                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Scope  Change - Pilot  Station: Airport  Relocation                                                                   
          [RUNWAY  REHABILITATION]  in  Sec  1, Ch  3,  FSSLA                                                                   
          2005, Pg 73, Lns 11-12.                                                                                               
          A scope  change is requested  as the  Pilot Station                                                                   
          airport    rehabilitation    project    became    a                                                                   
          relocation   project   in   the   Master   Planning                                                                   
          process.   The master plan recommended  the airport                                                                   
          be  relocated to  a nearby ridge  which is  aligned                                                                   
          favorably  with  the  wind, situated  on  excellent                                                                   
          material and does not have obstructions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle explained  the next item as a name  change request                                                                   
on a  previous  appropriation for  Pilot Station.  Previously                                                                   
the project was identified as  "Runway Rehabilitation." It is                                                                   
not feasible to lengthen the runway  at its current location.                                                                   
The master plan recommended relocating the airport.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 26(c). Capital: Scope Change                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Scope Change  - Stony River Airport  Relocation and                                                                   
          Airport  Improvements [REHABILITATION] in  Sec 100,                                                                   
          Ch 2, FSSLA 1999, Pg 63, Lns 6-7.                                                                                     
          The  initial rehabilitation  project  scope was  to                                                                   
          include  an extension  of the  runway. The  project                                                                   
          has  been revised  to relocate  the airport  due to                                                                   
          the   village's   encroachment  at   the   existing                                                                   
          facility as  well as the topographical  constraints                                                                   
          caused  by the airport's  current location  between                                                                   
          meanders of the Kuskokwim River.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  said the  request changes the  name of  the Stony                                                                   
River Airport. The  issue is the encroachment  of the village                                                                   
on the existing facility; the airport will be relocated.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:23:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section   26(d).   Capital:   Airport   Improvement   Program                                                                   
          Appropriation                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          The FY07 Airport Improvement  Program appropriation                                                                   
          increases by $9,000.0  due to the allocation change                                                                   
          below:                                                                                                                
          Sec 1, Ch 82, SLA 2006, Pg 88, Ln 32.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Section 26(e). Capital: Airport Improvement Program                                                                            
           Allocation                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Amend  Kipnuk: Airport  Reconstruction by  $9,000.0                                                                   
          from $2,600.0 to $11,600.0                                                                                            
          Sec 1, Ch 82, SLA 2006, Pg 91, Lns 3-4                                                                                
          Funding  delayed to  July  would delay  significant                                                                   
          draw  down   of  the  grant  until   the  following                                                                   
          construction season.  FAA is requiring early fiscal                                                                   
          year  delivery dates  to ensure  that projects  are                                                                   
          developed  and bid early  enough to take  advantage                                                                   
          of the  construction season  in the year  the grant                                                                   
          is issued.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  detailed  the two  items  as  appropriation  and                                                                   
allocation  levels for  an amendment  for the Kipnuk  Airport                                                                   
reconstruction  project.  The   project  will  resurface  the                                                                   
runway  and provide  lighting  and a  snow removal  equipment                                                                   
building. The  department is  requesting an increase  because                                                                   
the  engineer's  estimate has  increased  significantly.  The                                                                   
project will be ready to advertise in May.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section 26(f). Central Region Support Services                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          The  Environmental   Protection  Agency  (EPA)  has                                                                   
          initiated  an  enforcement action  against  DOT&PF,                                                                   
          alleging  multiple violations  of  the Clean  Water                                                                   
          Act.  In addition,  EPA  is requesting  information                                                                   
          regarding  sand and gravel  sources.  EPA  believes                                                                   
          that   DOT&PF  and   its   contractors  have   been                                                                   
          operating material sites  without appropriate storm                                                                   
          water permits.                                                                                                        
          The  EPA  has proposed  settling  the  case if  the                                                                   
          State  agrees to the  entry of a consent  decree(s)                                                                   
          that  could  involve  the  payment  of  significant                                                                   
          fines  (Idaho and  Hawaii have  paid fines  between                                                                   
          $500,000  and $1,000,000),  be required to  conduct                                                                   
          supplemental  environmental  projects, and  provide                                                                   
          training within DOT&PF.                                                                                               
          This  funding would  be used  to collect  evidence,                                                                   
          present   a  defense   and   begin  negotiating   a                                                                   
          settlement.  It  is   anticipated  that  costs  are                                                                   
          expected  to  be at  least $500.0  during  calendar                                                                   
          year  2008 so an extended  lapse date  through June                                                                   
          30, 2009 is requested.                                                                                                
                                                     $500,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  turned  to  the  last  item  requesting  GF  for                                                                   
collecting  evidence, developing  a defense, and  negotiating                                                                   
with   EPA   regarding   violations    in   connection   with                                                                   
construction  projects  and  dealing   with  the  2002  Kenai                                                                   
floods. The majority of the violations  identified have to do                                                                   
with issues such  as paperwork, permitting, or  identifying a                                                                   
qualified  inspector. The  department does  not think  any of                                                                   
the violations  are related  to contamination.  She  gave the                                                                   
example of a  violation related to the Kenai  flood: EPA said                                                                   
the department  put  too much  rip wrap back  into the  river                                                                   
compared to what was there before.  Part of the funding would                                                                   
be used  to take  aerial photos  of the  area to compare  and                                                                   
determine the appropriateness of the department's response.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:26:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   referred  to  the  item   addressing  the                                                                   
grounding of the M/V LeConte and  asked if there was anything                                                                   
in  the  contract  with  the   union  to  cover  catastrophic                                                                   
situations  such  as  grounding. He  questioned  whether  the                                                                   
state had to  pay for ferry service after the  grounding. Ms.                                                                   
Slagle responded  in the affirmative.  She explained  that at                                                                   
one time there was no language  for contracting out. When the                                                                   
language  was added,  there were  no stipulations  on how  to                                                                   
deal with emergencies. Thirty-day  notification was required.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  questioned the presence of the  item in the                                                                   
supplemental.  He   thought  it  should  have   been  in  the                                                                   
operating budget. Ms. Slagle remarked  that the grounding was                                                                   
in 2004.  She added that  the expenditure  is for 2008  to be                                                                   
able to be in compliance with an arbitrator's decision.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:29:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wanted to  know where  the money  would go.                                                                   
Ms. Slagle  responded that the  amount is paid to  the union.                                                                   
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if it  went to employees  or to  the                                                                   
union fund.  Ms. Slagle replied  that she was not  sure where                                                                   
the money  goes within the union.  She did not think  it went                                                                   
to individual union members.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wanted  final information  on who  gets the                                                                   
money.  Co-Chair   Hoffman  asked  Ms.  Slagle   to  get  the                                                                   
information for committee members.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if  the department  would  recommend                                                                   
modifications  of  the  fuel  calculation  for  the  upcoming                                                                   
operating  budget in  order to  reduce supplemental  requests                                                                   
for fuel.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  REHFELD, DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND  BUDGET                                                                   
(OMB), explained  that OMB  has been  looking into  the issue                                                                   
carefully  because of  the  supplemental  requests. She  said                                                                   
that  some of  the requests  would be  incorporated into  the                                                                   
amended budget request.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:31:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  was intrigued by  the M/V LeConte  settlement.                                                                   
He  wondered  how  the union  contract  limited  the  state's                                                                   
ability to  respond to  an emergency  and asked if  something                                                                   
should be done in future to better respond to emergencies.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:32:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton queried  why the request  regarding the  ports                                                                   
and harbor  long-range plan  was in  the supplemental  if the                                                                   
money would be required in the  current fiscal year. He asked                                                                   
if the department  considered using commercial  vessel funds.                                                                   
Ms. Slagle explained that DOT/PF  does not advertise projects                                                                   
without adequate  funding in place.  She did not  think there                                                                   
had been  specific identification  of  projects to be  funded                                                                   
from the cruise ship tax.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld added that there was  potential to use the cruise                                                                   
ship tax funds in that manner.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:34:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  when  the long-range  transportation                                                                   
plan for  ports and  harbors would  be completed. Ms.  Slagle                                                                   
did not know the answer but offered to find out.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:35:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought most  of the harbors had been turned                                                                   
over to municipalities except  for a few without the tax base                                                                   
or revenue  source to support  them. He asked what  the long-                                                                   
range plan would  encompass besides that. Ms.  Slagle replied                                                                   
that the plan  encompassed more than state-owned  harbors. It                                                                   
will include  and try to identify  the needs of  rural areas.                                                                   
The Corps of  Engineers and Denali Commission  are interested                                                                   
in looking at  the needs for all ports and  harbor facilities                                                                   
in order to evaluate available funding.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   asked  what  the  involvement   of  local                                                                   
governments  would be  in the  planning  process. Ms.  Slagle                                                                   
thought local governments would be very involved.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  queried using agencies outside  DOT/PF when                                                                   
the department  has 70 to 80  planners. He also  wondered why                                                                   
the item is not a normal capital expenditure.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:38:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman requested  that the  committee be  provided                                                                   
with the scope of work.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton  also  wanted  the scope  of  work.  He  asked                                                                   
whether  the Corps of  Engineers and  Denali Commission  have                                                                   
committed  money to  the project,  and  if so,  how much.  He                                                                   
wondered  how  the  plan  fits within  the  wider  scope  and                                                                   
regional transportation plans.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:39:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle replied  that both the Corps of  Engineers and the                                                                   
Denali  Commission have  committed  $500,000  apiece for  the                                                                   
project. She  said she would answer  the question of  how the                                                                   
project fits into the regional plans.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  referred to the $500,000 request  to negotiate                                                                   
a  settlement  with   the  EPA.  He  pointed   out  that  the                                                                   
department had  mentioned that some  of the dollars  would go                                                                   
to  Southcentral  Region and  wondered  why  the project  was                                                                   
identified  as  Central  Region  support  services.  He  also                                                                   
suggested  breaking the  item  into two  sections, since  the                                                                   
description describes costs over two fiscal years.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  explained  that Southcentral  is part of  Central                                                                   
Region. The department thought  that was the most appropriate                                                                   
place to put the funds as the  Central Region is coordinating                                                                   
discussions with  the EPA. Regarding the split  of two fiscal                                                                   
years, she said the department  is not sure what expenditures                                                                   
would  be  in the  upcoming  year.  At  one point  there  was                                                                   
discussion about  the item being  in the capital  budget, but                                                                   
she  thought  it made  sense  to  have  it in  the  operating                                                                   
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:41:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton asked  if EPA had concerns only  in the Central                                                                   
Region.  Ms. Slagle  responded  that  currently  most of  the                                                                   
items  are in Central  Region.  She added that  if the  state                                                                   
does not address  the issues, there could be  broader ones in                                                                   
the future.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:42:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins  asked  if the  subject  of  highway  safety                                                                   
corridors  was  being  addressed.  He did  not  see  anything                                                                   
concrete being  done. He  recalled that  there were  four and                                                                   
maybe five highway safety corridors.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle thought  two safety corridors had  been identified                                                                   
and a  third was  being considered.  She referred to  actions                                                                   
that were being  taken. She maintained that  some portions of                                                                   
the program have been successful in reducing accidents.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:44:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins agreed that such  progress takes time, but he                                                                   
could not justify  how long it has taken to  constituents. He                                                                   
encouraged the department to be  proactive and create highway                                                                   
safety  corridors as  well  as solve  the  problems and  save                                                                   
lives.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:45:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked if  the  capital products  had  been                                                                   
included in the Statewide Transportation  Improvement Program                                                                   
(STIP),  and if they  were, if  STIP has  been submitted  and                                                                   
approved  by the  federal  government.  Ms. Slagle  responded                                                                   
that the state was in the process  of developing an amendment                                                                   
to STIP,  but the  long-range transportation  plan had  to be                                                                   
completed  first. She did  not know  if federal highways  had                                                                   
agreed to the plan.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  information  regarding costs  of                                                                   
polling. He  thought there was  a poll underway  in Ketchikan                                                                   
and one concerning the marine  highway. He wanted to know the                                                                   
revenue  sources and  costs of  the polls and  why DOT/PF  is                                                                   
conducting  them.  Ms.  Slagle   said  the  department  would                                                                   
address the question directly with the senator.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson queried  details regarding  the Pilot  Station                                                                   
airport relocation.  Ms. Slagle understood that  the existing                                                                   
runway is  narrow, not long  enough, and has  dangerous cross                                                                   
winds. The  community feels  the current  runway is  a safety                                                                   
hazard. A  plan to extend the  runway is not feasible  in the                                                                   
present location.  In addition,  a school was  built adjacent                                                                   
to  the runway.  This  is a  safety  issue.  The master  plan                                                                   
determined it would  be more appropriate to  move the airport                                                                   
to a nearby ridge. The FAA has approved that plan.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:49:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked if emergency  requests for flooding in                                                                   
Copper River and  Susitna Crossing were high  enough priority                                                                   
for  the governor  to  use  the  emergency fund.  Ms.  Slagle                                                                   
responded that  the governor had  not declared either  of the                                                                   
events  disasters, so  federal  dollars  were not  available.                                                                   
This is considered heavy maintenance,  and the responsibility                                                                   
of the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  remarked  that   the  governor  does  have                                                                   
emergency  funds available  and  wondered why  they were  not                                                                   
being used. He queried the criteria  used to access emergency                                                                   
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  responded  that the  governor  has  contingency                                                                   
funds. She did  not know if the projects were  considered for                                                                   
the funds. She said she would find out more.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:52:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Statewide Services: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Anchorage Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Kenai Peninsula Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Kodiak College:      Increase Fuel Costs                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Matanuska-Susitna College:     Increase   Fuel                                                                   
     Costs                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Prince William Sound Community College:                                                                          
     Increase Fuel Costs                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Bristol Bay Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Chukchi Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Fairbanks Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Interior-Aleutians Campus: Increase Fuel                                                                         
     Costs                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Kuskokwim Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Northwest Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Juneau Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Ketchikan Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 - 9. Sitka Campus: Increase Fuel Costs                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Funding  received  in  FY08  as part  of  the  fuel                                                                   
          trigger mechanism  only replaced the  FY07 one-time                                                                   
          funding,  leaving  UA at  the FY07  funding  level.                                                                   
          Therefore,  in  addition   to  the  existing  funds                                                                   
          received  through  the  fuel trigger  mechanism  in                                                                   
          FY08,  UA  is  requesting a  FY08  supplemental  to                                                                   
          cover the utility increases from FY07 to FY08.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE  RIZK,  DIRECTOR  OF BUDGET,  UNIVERSITY  OF  ALASKA                                                                   
(testified via  teleconference), outlined the  items totaling                                                                   
$2.3 million  for utility  cost increases  in excess  of what                                                                   
the trigger mechanism covered  for each campus. The mechanism                                                                   
only replaced the FY 07 one-time funding.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   stated  that  a  substantial   number  of                                                                   
campuses  are in  hydro-based  communities. He  asked if  the                                                                   
university has  considered conversation from oil  to electric                                                                   
boilers to save money.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PAT  PITNEY,   VICE   CHANCELLOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE   SERVICES,                                                                   
UNIVERSITY   OF  ALASKA   (testified   via   teleconference),                                                                   
responded that she  expected each of the campuses  to look at                                                                   
the costs of  major renewal and replacement  upgrades as they                                                                   
establish their  priorities. A boiler transition  from oil to                                                                   
electric would  apply. She thought  the Sitka campus  was the                                                                   
only one  that would allow  a hydroelectric option.  Electric                                                                   
utilities in other regions are run through coal or diesel.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  pointed  out   that  Juneau,  Kodiak,  and                                                                   
Ketchikan are also on hydroelectric.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:56:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Pat Pitney remarked  that depending on the campus,  there are                                                                   
both electric  utility and diesel boilers. Not  all buildings                                                                   
have stand-alone  boilers; some use local  electric utilities                                                                   
for their heat.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE:  9:56:54 AM                                                                                                          
RECONVENED:    10:02:24 AM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  called for the  fall 2007 revenue  forecast                                                                   
used for FY 08 numbers. He emphasized  that he wanted to gear                                                                   
the  discussion  towards the  mechanics  of  the gas  tax  to                                                                   
refresh   understanding  of   the  complicated   relationship                                                                   
between the gas tax and the net tax.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PAT  GALVIN, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,  reported                                                                   
that  the  department's  staff   puts  together  the  Revenue                                                                   
Sources Book twice each year.  He added that the presentation                                                                   
would have  more detail than in  the past to provide  a clear                                                                   
picture of the new tax system.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:06:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   D.  WILLIAMS,   CHIEF   ECONOMIST,  TAX   DIVISION,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE (DOR),  described the  plan as  a team                                                                   
effort involving economists and  staff as well as OMB and the                                                                   
Department  of Treasury.  He stressed  that forecasting  is a                                                                   
dynamic  process  and methods  vary  by revenue  source.  The                                                                   
official forecast  is updated twice each year.  The finalized                                                                   
spring  forecast is  expected  April 11.  The information  is                                                                   
difficult  to  process as  it  comes  in various  forms.  The                                                                   
department  is  attempting  to  develop  a  fully  integrated                                                                   
management information system to better handle the data.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:08:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams said he would cover four topics:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          1. 2008 Unrestricted Revenue                                                                                          
          2. Key Assumptions, including methods used to                                                                         
             forecast production tax                                                                                            
          3. Volatility                                                                                                         
          4. Evaluation of Price Forecast                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams  pointed  out  that  there  are  two  types  of                                                                   
projected  revenue:   unrestricted  revenue   and  restricted                                                                   
revenue. His discussion would  focus on unrestricted revenue,                                                                   
defined in the Revenue Sources Book as:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Revenue not restricted  by the constitution, state,                                                                   
          or  federal  law,  trust or  debt  restrictions  or                                                                   
          customary  practice.  Most legislative  and  public                                                                   
          debate  over the budget  each year centers  on this                                                                   
          category of revenue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  turned to general purpose  unrestricted revenue                                                                   
for FY  2008 for oil and  non-oil. There are  four categories                                                                   
of oil income:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          1. Royalty, $1.8 billion, or 28 percent of the                                                                        
             total;                                                                                                             
          2. Production tax, $3.4 billion or 50 percent;                                                                        
          3. State corporate income tax, 9 percent; and                                                                         
          4. Property tax, less than 1 percent.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  said that  together the  four categories  total                                                                   
around  $5.9 billion,  or  89.5 percent  of  the budget.  The                                                                   
total  budget  is  $6.6 billion;  the  remainder  is  non-oil                                                                   
income.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:10:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  detailed that all  the various tax  categories,                                                                   
such  as   corporate  income   tax,  mining  tax,   insurance                                                                   
premiums, and so  on, represent about 58 percent  of the non-                                                                   
oil  total.  Investment  income represents  26  percent,  and                                                                   
other  income is  around 16.1  percent.  Mining accounts  for                                                                   
about 11.4 percent of non-oil  revenues; chapter three of the                                                                   
revenue sources  book is devoted  to mining, an area  that is                                                                   
getting more  public debate. He  encouraged the  committee to                                                                   
study  the chapter,  which  covers  the mines  in  operation,                                                                   
mines being developed, and exploration for new mines.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:11:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  informed  the   public  that  the  Revenue                                                                   
Sources  Books  are available  online  at the  Department  of                                                                   
Revenue and  can be  downloaded and read.  He noted  that the                                                                   
books change  twice each  year and  concentrate on  different                                                                   
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins queried  the fish tax  number. Dr.  Williams                                                                   
replied that the fish tax is not  showing as it is relatively                                                                   
small. He said that chapter five  in the Revenue Sources Book                                                                   
deals with  non-oil income; page  58 shows that fish  tax for                                                                   
FY 08 was $23.6 million.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  the  oil price  the figures  are                                                                   
based on. Dr.  Williams replied that the assumptions  for oil                                                                   
are based  on $72.64 per  barrel, with production  of 730,000                                                                   
barrels per day.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:13:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman remarked  that  taxes like  fish taxes  are                                                                   
dwarfed by  the oil  source. Mining  and fish taxes  increase                                                                   
over several years. Historical data is available.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  stressed the importance of the  Permanent Fund                                                                   
as a revenue  source that dwarfs everything.  He wondered why                                                                   
it was not reflected under non-oil revenues.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:14:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams replied  that the Permanent Fund  is categorized                                                                   
as  restricted funds,  which  are non-oil  earnings.  Revenue                                                                   
from royalties  goes into the  Permanent Fund; that  money is                                                                   
invested  in  stocks, bonds,  real  estate,  and so  on.  The                                                                   
earnings from  that are not directly  from oil, but  from the                                                                   
investments.  In  general,  invested   income  is  considered                                                                   
restricted revenue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  asked what restrictions  are put  those funds.                                                                   
Dr. Williams  said the  funds are restricted  by law.  He did                                                                   
not know the laws that applied but could find out.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  thought a majority  vote in both  bodies could                                                                   
access those earnings for expenditure.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  agreed the realized earnings  reserve could                                                                   
be accessed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:16:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams  compared the  spring  2007  to the  fall  2007                                                                   
forecasts, the  two forecasts for  FY 08. The  total forecast                                                                   
budget increased by  $3 billion or by 85.9  percent, which is                                                                   
substantial.  The  main  reason  for  the  increase  was  the                                                                   
production  tax,   which  increased  $2.4  billion,   or  240                                                                   
percent.  The royalty  increased  about $0.4  billion, or  30                                                                   
percent.  Oil  price  was  32  percent  higher  in  the  fall                                                                   
forecast,  and production  was 4.3 percent  less. Royalty  is                                                                   
the state's share of the oil produced.  Generally, royalty is                                                                   
about 12.5 percent.  If prices go up, revenue  is expected to                                                                   
go up  the same amount.  He pointed  out that actual  royalty                                                                   
went up 30.5 percent, while prices  went up 32.5 percent. The                                                                   
difference occurred  because production  went down  about 4.5                                                                   
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams  reported  that  income  tax was  up  about  17                                                                   
percent.   The  state   uses   apportionment  in   collecting                                                                   
corporate income  tax, which goes  beyond Alaskan  prices and                                                                   
volumes;  it is  affected  by international  prices.  Non-oil                                                                   
went up about 20  percent; one of the drivers  was the higher                                                                   
prices  for minerals.  Overall the total  budget between  the                                                                   
two forecasts increased close  to 86 percent. The main driver                                                                   
was the production tax, which increased 24 percent.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:19:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  a question about  how current  price                                                                   
changes  could affect  the forecast.  Dr. Williams  responded                                                                   
that most likely there would be  a higher figure depending on                                                                   
production and costs. Prices appear to be dominating.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:20:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  turned to key  assumptions for production  tax.                                                                   
Production tax  statutes are new,  which has caused  the main                                                                   
difference. The  formula used comes from the  Revenue Sources                                                                   
Book (Figure 4.4, "ACES Tax Liability  Calculation," page 32,                                                                   
Revenue            Sources             Book,            2007,                                                                   
http://www.tax.alaska.gov/programs/documentviewer/viewer.asp                                                                    
x?1202f):                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ACES Tax Liability = [(Value - Costs)*Tax Rate] -                                                                          
     Credits                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The terms used in the equation are defined as follows:                                                                     
     Value = Volume of Oil and Gas Produced X Wellhead Value                                                                    
     Costs = Operating Expenditures + Capital Expenditures                                                                      
     Tax Rate = 25% + 0.4% for every $1 barrel that this                                                                        
     "net income" exceeds $30                                                                                                   
     Credits = (20% X Capital Expenditures)* + (20% X                                                                           
     Eligible Transition Expenditures)** + Base Allowance                                                                       
     *spread over two years                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     **limited to those credits earned while the PPT was in                                                                     
     effect and could not be used                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams explained  that the tax liability  is a function                                                                   
of value minus  cost, times the tax rate, minus  the credits.                                                                   
Value is equal  to the volume of oil and gas  produced at the                                                                   
wellhead.  Value  refers  to  taxable  barrels,  so  excludes                                                                   
royalties. The costs are operating  expenditures plus capital                                                                   
expenditures, and  the tax rate  is 25 percent, which  is the                                                                   
base rate, plus 0.4 percent for  every dollar per barrel that                                                                   
this net exceeds $30 per barrel.  Credits equal 20 percent of                                                                   
capital expenditures, plus 20  percent of eligible transition                                                                   
expenditures, plus a base allowance.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  emphasized how important  it was  to understand                                                                   
the basic formula.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  turned to the chart  on page 32 of  the Revenue                                                                   
Sources  Book, which  compares  the current  tax law,  Alaska                                                                   
Clear and Equitable  Share (ACES) with the previous  tax law,                                                                   
Petroleum  Profits  Tax (PPT).  He  listed and  compared  key                                                                   
areas:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
    · Lease   expenditures:    ACES-must   be   affirmed   by                                                                   
      regulations; PPT-ordinary and necessary.                                                                                  
    · Standard deduction: ACES-for Prudhoe Bay and Kuparuk;                                                                     
      PPT-no standard deduction.                                                                                                
    · Base rate: ACES-25%; PPT-22.5%                                                                                            
    · Progressive factor: ACES-0.4%; PPT-0.25%                                                                                  
    · Maximum tax rate: ACES-75%; PPT-47.5%                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested clarification  regarding  the tax                                                                   
rate.  Mr. Galvin  replied that  figure is  not accurate;  it                                                                   
should be 50 percent.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked for  information on maximum  marginal                                                                   
rates versus the average rate.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:24:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr.   Williams  explained   that   what   happens  with   the                                                                   
calculation of production  tax under ACES is  that as profits                                                                   
increase,  the marginal  tax rate for  the entire  production                                                                   
increases. He suggested thinking  in terms of fixed amount of                                                                   
cost, and price  just increasing. As that occurs,  the volume                                                                   
subject to  the progressive tax  gets larger and  larger. The                                                                   
marginal tax  rate is 75 percent  at a certain  price, around                                                                   
$92.50 per barrel.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested further information.  He surmised                                                                   
that when  the industry does  well, through oil  prices going                                                                   
from a  gross to a net  structure, the state's  treasury does                                                                   
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  agreed that state  does very well. In  terms of                                                                   
the concept of having a net-based  tax, the companies as well                                                                   
as the state  are well served.  If costs were much  higher or                                                                   
prices lower  or volumes  were lower,  or any combination  to                                                                   
make the situation  less profitable, the companies  would pay                                                                   
much  less   tax.  The   credits  stimulate  investment   and                                                                   
progressivity  ensures  that  the  state  receives  its  fair                                                                   
share.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:26:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  addressed  the subject of  credits. Under  PPT,                                                                   
all credits  were given in the  first year. Under  ACES, they                                                                   
are spread out over two years.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  turned to page 36  of the Revenue  Sources Book                                                                   
(Fall 2007, Figure 4-6, "Basic  Data used for ANS Oil and Gas                                                                   
Production Taxes"). He encouraged  the committee to study the                                                                   
page as  it contains useful  information. He stated  his goal                                                                   
to familiarize  the committee with  how to read the  data. He                                                                   
pointed out the components of  the chart, including the major                                                                   
categories:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
    · State Production Tax Revenue from the North Slope;                                                                        
    · Key North Slope Assumptions;                                                                                              
    · Implied North Slope Data, resulting from taking the                                                                       
     assumptions and dividing one unit by another; and                                                                          
    · Notes.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams detailed  that three fiscal years  are presented                                                                   
in the columns:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   · FY 2007, which is history;                                                                                                 
   · FY 2008, which is current, a projection based on                                                                           
     historical data with a forecast; and                                                                                       
   · FY 2009, which is completely forecast.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  read all the notes  at the bottom of  the page,                                                                   
and stressed their importance:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     1. Costs for FY 2007 are unaudited and for the entire                                                                      
        North Slope.  Cost data  reported  July 2006  through                                                                   
        December 2006 are actuals. January  2007 through June                                                                   
        2007 are estimates.                                                                                                     
     2. Costs for FY 2008 and FY 2009 are estimated after                                                                       
        having  reviewed   the   annual   filings  from   oil                                                                   
        companies and incorporating adjustments  based on our                                                                   
        assessment of future cost increases.                                                                                    
     3. Assumptions for the transitional credits and the $12                                                                    
       million credits are not included in the table.                                                                           
     4. The average production value per barrel presented in                                                                    
        this  table  would  differ  from  estimates  the  oil                                                                   
        companies would  prepare for  tax liability  purposes                                                                   
        for several reasons:  [a] the  data in the  chart are                                                                   
        North Slope  wide averages;  [b] different  companies                                                                   
        have  different  cost   structures  and   operate  in                                                                   
        different  fields;  [c]  a  company   computing  this                                                                   
        average  for  tax   liability  purposes   would  only                                                                   
        include  the barrels  it  gets  to  keep,  i.e.,  the                                                                   
        company  would  exclude   the  barrels  it   pays  in                                                                   
        royalty.                                                                                                                
     5. FY 2008 ANS West Coast price forecast is as of                                                                          
        November 30, 2007.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:29:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  highlighted  the most important  points  of the                                                                   
chart. He  did not  intend to  list the  data but wanted  the                                                                   
committee to  conceptually understand  what is available.  He                                                                   
touched on key  North Slope assumptions, the  first category.                                                                   
Three assumptions for prices are laid out.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  explained that the  wellhead value  is obtained                                                                   
by subtracting the transit costs,  which are between the West                                                                   
Coast  price  and the  wellhead  value.  The next  items  are                                                                   
production in barrels  per day, royalty barrels  per day, and                                                                   
taxable barrels  per day. Then operating  expenditures (OPEX)                                                                   
and capital expenditures (CAPEX)  are listed. He said to keep                                                                   
in mind  that for  the OPEX there  is the standard  deduction                                                                   
for  Prudhoe  Bay  and  Kuparuk   for  CAPEX.  There  are  no                                                                   
restrictions  on the CAPEX.  There are  also credits  for the                                                                   
CAPEX.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams elaborated  on implied data. The  credits can be                                                                   
calculated  if the CAPEX  are known.  For lease  expenditures                                                                   
per  barrel,  if  the  OPEX are  divided  by  the  number  of                                                                   
barrels, the result is the OPEX  per barrel; the same applies                                                                   
for CAPEX. For  the average production value  per barrel, one                                                                   
is divided by the other.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  added that  future Revenue  Sources Books  will                                                                   
contain  the  same  table; he  encouraged  the  committee  to                                                                   
become  familiar   with  it.  Finally,  the   table  has  the                                                                   
production price collected per barrel.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:31:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  asked if  the examples  were about  oil. Dr.                                                                   
Williams affirmed  that they  were. Senator Huggins  wondered                                                                   
how to  convert the examples  to gas.  He asked if  both were                                                                   
addressed  in  ACES.  Dr. Williams  replied  that  both  were                                                                   
addressed in ACES.  He added that Deputy  Commissioner Marcia                                                                   
Davis  had  given  a presentation  to  the  Senate  Resources                                                                   
Committee about the  subject. Oil and gas are  taxed the same                                                                   
and have  a different  cost structure  and different  transit                                                                   
costs.  On a  Btu  barrel  equivalency, they  have  different                                                                   
values. There  are a  number of  factors that are  different,                                                                   
but all three of  the factors come into play  when looking at                                                                   
the tax basis.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  asked if the  first sale of North  Slope gas                                                                   
was going to  Fairbanks. He thought that was  exempt from the                                                                   
provisions mentioned.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams  remembered some  exemptions,  but  he was  not                                                                   
sure.  He had  assumed  they would  pay  tax;  it would  most                                                                   
likely be under the ELF (Economic  Limit Factor). Compared to                                                                   
the bigger picture  of dollars collected for  oil, the amount                                                                   
would be small, about $1.5 million.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:33:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Galvin  added that the  exemption was the  so-called Cook                                                                   
Inlet  tax  treatment.  That  would be  applied  to  any  gas                                                                   
produced  for the  purpose  of use  within  the state.  There                                                                   
would  be similar  treatment  in  terms of  calculation;  the                                                                   
difference is  the rate  applied will not  be 25  percent but                                                                   
something  significantly  lower. This  would  result in  much                                                                   
lower tax due.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:33:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman informed  the committee  that he had  asked                                                                   
Commissioner  Galvin to  prepare  a presentation  on the  tax                                                                   
structure  of the gas  supply into  Fairbanks because  of the                                                                   
expansion of the methodology used  in Cook Inlet going north.                                                                   
He  wanted the  committee to  fully understand  what the  tax                                                                   
collection  is and what  it is  not. He  also wanted  them to                                                                   
understand  that  the tax  structure  for the  large  gasline                                                                   
would be different.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Galvin   explained  that  the  increase   in  production                                                                   
expenses would  be small and the  increased tax due  would be                                                                   
fully born  by production.  The tax  rate would be  affected.                                                                   
The department  would  put together  a model  of how the  tax                                                                   
would be calculated on a small sale.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:36:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought there  were two questions. The first                                                                   
was regarding the  impact of the expansion of  the Cook Inlet                                                                   
provisions  to the  north,  and how  that  affects the  state                                                                   
treasury. The second question  was the dilutive effect of gas                                                                   
to the oil  tax, which would  be addressed in more  detail in                                                                   
the future.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:36:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked the reasons  for substantial increases                                                                   
in  transit costs.  Dr.  Williams remarked  that  it was  due                                                                   
first  to  volume  of  oil  going  through  the  Trans-Alaska                                                                   
Pipeline System (TAPS), and second  to methodology. Regarding                                                                   
the volume  of oil, tariffs are  computed by adding  OPEX and                                                                   
other relevant  expenses and dividing  them by  volume, which                                                                   
results  in  the  per  barrel  charge.  On  the  North  Slope                                                                   
currently,  volumes   are  declining   but  some   costs  are                                                                   
increasing. This results in a higher cost per barrel.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams reported  that there has also been  a transition                                                                   
from  the  TAPS   settlement  methodology  to   a  cost-based                                                                   
methodology.  He believed  that enters  assumptions in  2009.                                                                   
Looking at what is going on with  the costs themselves, there                                                                   
is  a  strategic reconfiguration.  Large  costs  and  smaller                                                                   
volumes impact the tariff per barrel.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  questioned if the percentage  will increase                                                                   
more  rapidly  because  of further  declines  in  volume.  He                                                                   
wondered what the  projected figure would be in  three to six                                                                   
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:39:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams pointed to page 109  of the Revenue Sources Book                                                                   
(Fall  2007,  Appendix  on Prices,  B-2b,  "Nominal  Net-back                                                                   
Forecasts"),  which  contains   the  forecast  for  the  TAPS                                                                   
tariff. He noted  that it declines as it moves  into the cost                                                                   
of   service   methodology   versus   the   TAPS   settlement                                                                   
methodology. Overall,  it increases, after first  going down.                                                                   
Towards the end the driver is decreasing volumes.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Galvin  added that the  switch between the  methodologies                                                                   
is occurring in a forecasted way  between FY 09 and FY 10. In                                                                   
10 years the forecast would be back up to current levels.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:41:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas wondered  if the potential in  Prudhoe Bay had                                                                   
been considered  in this forecast. Dr. Williams  replied that                                                                   
the department  has a  volume forecast  that includes  fields                                                                   
currently  in  production,  fields   under  development,  and                                                                   
fields  that  are  being  evaluated.  To  the  extent  a  new                                                                   
producer  is under  development,  such as  Oooguruk, the  new                                                                   
volumes  are incorporated  into new  forecasts. Forecasts  go                                                                   
out  many years;  the  Revenue Sources  Book  has a  ten-year                                                                   
outlook.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas  questioned how  actual,  historical  numbers                                                                   
overlap with  fiscal years  and line up  with tax  years. Dr.                                                                   
Williams responded  that all actuals are historical  data and                                                                   
all data  are in fiscal years.  The recent change to  the PPT                                                                   
meant forecasting  methods had  to be altered  to incorporate                                                                   
calendar annual tax into fiscal year forecasting.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas queried what date  a projected forecast change                                                                   
to a historical or actual forecast.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:44:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams  replied  that   historical  data  are  usually                                                                   
finalized  at  the  end  of October  and  then  would  become                                                                   
historical or actual.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Galvin reported that  the receipts  are tracked                                                                   
through June 30 and reported in  October. A series of reports                                                                   
are  reconciled  with an  annual  calendar year  tax  return.                                                                   
Assumptions are then readjusted.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:46:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins asked for an explanation  of department plans                                                                   
regarding  methodology. Dr.  Williams  described the  dynamic                                                                   
nature of forecasting. Everything  changes and requires a new                                                                   
response.  A  proactive  approach entails  looking  into  the                                                                   
future  to  find  the  best  method  of  dealing  with  these                                                                   
changes.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams  gave  examples  of his  proactive  methods  in                                                                   
various  situations.  The  department  was  keenly  aware  of                                                                   
changes regarding the TAPS settlement  methodology; they knew                                                                   
they had  to develop different  ways to forecast.  He relayed                                                                   
another example  related to cost.  When the department  first                                                                   
started  projecting  costs, they  did  not have  much  actual                                                                   
data. When they knew that costs  were related to prices, they                                                                   
adjusted  the  formula so  that  when prices  changed,  costs                                                                   
changed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams pointed  out  that costs  are  related to  many                                                                   
things,  including the  maturity of a  particular oil  field,                                                                   
general  inflation, technology,  and so  on. The question  is                                                                   
how  to develop  methodology to  estimate  or forecast  costs                                                                   
with all those factors. That is a current challenge.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams spoke  of looking at how other  entities respond                                                                   
to similar  situations.  They found one  group that  actually                                                                   
projects costs; the department  is considering using an index                                                                   
of their  projected costs and  applying it to  Alaska's costs                                                                   
and  adjusting for  such things  as  technology and  one-time                                                                   
events.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins asked  about shut-downs.  Dr. Williams  said                                                                   
that was covered by one-time events.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:49:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Galvin related stories on coming up with estimates.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  remarked  that when DOR  evaluates a  forecast,                                                                   
they look  for errors,  which are  often repetitive.  He puts                                                                   
together   charts,   which   can  reveal   such   things   as                                                                   
overestimating  production  values.   When  the  reasons  for                                                                   
overestimating  volumes  were   evaluated,  two  causes  were                                                                   
discovered:  the fact  that  the technology  associated  with                                                                   
heavy oil  was taking  longer to  develop and implement,  and                                                                   
the fact that  Alaska is dealing with  mature infrastructure.                                                                   
This means  more time must  be allocated for  maintenance and                                                                   
down time. These factors caused  the department to change the                                                                   
formulas. This is  an example of being proactive,  which they                                                                   
do with all revenue sources and attributes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:52:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  considered the computations for  estimating the                                                                   
production tax.  This is  for the North  Slope only.  The top                                                                   
line  reads "Total  taxable value,"  which excludes  royalty.                                                                   
For FY  08, this  is about $15.5  billion; for  FY 09,  it is                                                                   
about  $13.4  billion.  The  numbers  are  broken  down  into                                                                   
prices, volumes,  and costs. The total is the  wellhead price                                                                   
times  the  number  of  taxable   barrels.  Deductible  lease                                                                   
expenditures  are  about $4.3  billion  for  FY 08  and  $4.3                                                                   
billion  for FY  09.  Comparing this  to  the previous  chart                                                                   
reveals a difference. The footnote  reads, "Lease expenditure                                                                   
excludes  the $0.30 per  barrel CAPEX  exclusion." The  CAPEX                                                                   
exclusion  was not  on the  previous chart.  The net  taxable                                                                   
income is  then about $11.3  billion for  FY 08 and  about $9                                                                   
billion for FY 09. This is aggregate,  for all the producers.                                                                   
For each producer,  there needs to be an estimate  of what is                                                                   
due under the  base tax rate plus progressivity.  Adding that                                                                   
up for all  the producers comes  to about $3.7 billion  in FY                                                                   
08 and about  $2.7 billion in  FY 09. From that,  credits are                                                                   
subtracted.   Credits  are   used   against  tax   liability;                                                                   
producers have  revenue which  they can offset  with credits.                                                                   
Non-producers would  get something from the  state. There are                                                                   
two categories  of credit,  which leaves  the state  with tax                                                                   
revenue  of  about $3.4  billion  in  FY  08 and  about  $2.2                                                                   
billion in FY 09.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:54:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested more information to  be presented                                                                   
after the  meeting recess. He  specifically wanted  the gross                                                                   
value of what the resource is  worth when it comes out of the                                                                   
ground. Dr. Williams asked if  he wanted taxable barrels plus                                                                   
royalty barrels  added together  times the  net value  at the                                                                   
wellhead. He said he could get the information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  also  requested more  information  on  the                                                                   
sensitivity  of the dollar  per barrel.  He pointed  out that                                                                   
deductible lease  expenditures do  not include property  tax.                                                                   
Dr. Williams said he would check on that.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:56:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  asked where federal taxes were  computed. Dr.                                                                   
Williams  revealed  that  federal   taxes  are  not  used  in                                                                   
computing  production  taxes.   Production  taxes  are  costs                                                                   
expenses for companies  when they file federal  income taxes.                                                                   
Federal income taxes are not an  expense for the companies in                                                                   
paying production taxes at the state level.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:57:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  about   credits  used  against  tax                                                                   
liability  and  credits  for potential  state  purchase.  Dr.                                                                   
Williams advised  thinking in  terms of producers.  Companies                                                                   
that  have  production  or revenue  have  credits  for  their                                                                   
capital expenditures  that can  be used  to offset  their tax                                                                   
liability. By contrast, credits  for potential state purchase                                                                   
apply  to explorers  that have  capital  expenditures but  no                                                                   
production  revenue. Under  ACES, those  companies would  get                                                                   
checks from the  state for credits, as opposed  to offsetting                                                                   
tax liability.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  pointed out that  the offset is  not always                                                                   
shown, and  there will  be a  request for  a payment  for the                                                                   
credit.  He advised remembering  there  are two credits  when                                                                   
working on the budget.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:59:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  questioned if  FY 08  total taxable  value was                                                                   
based on  last November's  prices, and  does not reflect  the                                                                   
reality  of recent  prices.  Dr.  Williams responded  in  the                                                                   
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RECESSED:      10:59:58 AM                                                                                                    
RECONVENED:    1:04:58 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams addressed  the Co-Chair's questions  and the tax                                                                   
rate before he continued with the informational overview.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams read  from Section 15 of the ACES  bill, Statute                                                                   
43.55.011(e), which covers the base tax rate:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          The annual production tax value of the taxable oil                                                                    
          and gas as calculated under 43.55.168(1) is                                                                           
          multiplied by 25 percent.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  elaborated that  in Section  17 the bill  deals                                                                   
with   progressivity.   43.55.011(g)   says  that   the   sum                                                                   
determined under  this paragraph  may not exceed  50 percent.                                                                   
Therefore, the  maximum progressivity  factor is  50 percent.                                                                   
Adding the  progressivity factor to  the base rate  equals 75                                                                   
percent. The tax rate in the Revenue  Sources Book is correct                                                                   
at 75 percent.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Hoffman  queried  how   much  of  the  revenue  was                                                                   
attributed to the multiplying factor in future reports.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JERRY   BURNETT,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION   OF   ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                   
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,  explained that for  a bill                                                                   
in the  House, the department  did a fiscal note  showing the                                                                   
estimated progressivity  surcharge for  the next  five years,                                                                   
which shows  the approximately  $900 million  range in  FY 08                                                                   
and the $350-400 million in future years.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:07:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  suggested working  with the  administration                                                                   
and/or DOR  consultants to analyze  the average  and marginal                                                                   
tax  rate along  with  the  progressivity impact  at  varying                                                                   
dollar amounts for  oil. There is substantial  impact at $80-                                                                   
90 per  barrel prices. He wanted  to know what  components of                                                                   
the tax are driving what dollars.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams noted  the  point led  to  an earlier  question                                                                   
regarding  the impact on  revenue if  prices increase  $1. He                                                                   
reminded the  committee how taxes  are estimated  under ACES.                                                                   
The  price,  the  cost,  and  the  volume  are  needed.  When                                                                   
discussing  increasing  prices $1  per  barrel,  there is  an                                                                   
assumption that costs and volumes  remain the same. Those are                                                                   
major assumptions. He also explained  that the information is                                                                   
not linear.  If prices  are $35  per barrel, the  progressive                                                                   
factor is 0.4 percent for the  volumes, but when the price is                                                                   
$80  per barrel,  there is  more  volume. When  prices go  up                                                                   
there  is a  non-linear relationship.  In  addition, at  very                                                                   
high prices, progressivity  goes to 0.1 percent.  He gave the                                                                   
figures  requested (which  assume keeping  volumes and  costs                                                                   
constant):                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          $60 a barrel would mean an extra $120 million                                                                         
          $80 a barrel would mean an extra $160 million                                                                         
          $100 a barrel would mean an extra $195 million                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  noted the funds  are General Fund  unrestricted                                                                   
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  referred to  sensitivity charts  on page  37 of                                                                   
the Revenue Sources  Book that forecast prices for  FY 08 and                                                                   
FY 09. He noted the charts each  have the forecast prices for                                                                   
high  and low  prices.  The middle  category  has high  costs                                                                   
which calculates  numbers if costs are ten  percent higher at                                                                   
constant volumes. The last category  assumes low costs, at 90                                                                   
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams next  pointed to page 95 of the  Revenue Sources                                                                   
Book, with additional sensitivity  matrices. At the bottom of                                                                   
the  page is  a chart,  "FY  2009 General  Fund  Unrestricted                                                                   
Revenue  with Price Sensitivity."  The  vertical scale  is in                                                                   
billions  of dollars  and shows  how revenues  change to  the                                                                   
state as prices go up.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:12:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams addressed the question  of property taxes, which                                                                   
are  deductible   as  lease   expenditures;  the   department                                                                   
estimates they will be about $200 million in 2008.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  discussed  the gross value  of production.  The                                                                   
ANS West coast price in the forecast  of $72.64 per barrel is                                                                   
multiplied  by the  total  volumes at  Pump  Station #1;  the                                                                   
totals are estimated to be about  $19.5 billion for FY 08 and                                                                   
about $17 billion  for FY 09. That includes  both royalty and                                                                   
taxable  barrels. Subtracting  the  transit  cost brings  the                                                                   
wellhead value for both royalty  and taxable barrels to about                                                                   
$17.9 billion  for FY 08  and $15.4  billion for FY  09. When                                                                   
the  royalty barrels  are removed,  the  taxable barrels  are                                                                   
left, at  about $15.6 billion in  FY 08 and $13.4  billion in                                                                   
FY 09.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Stedman  clarified  that  for FY  08  the  starting                                                                   
number  is $19.4  billion, with  adjustments  bringing it  to                                                                   
$15.5 billion.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:15:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams continued  with  the presentation.  He  divided                                                                   
volatility  into three  areas:  crude oil  price  volatility,                                                                   
crude  oil  production  volatility,   and  crude  oil  costs.                                                                   
Historically,  volatility has  referred to price  volatility.                                                                   
He highlighted  that in the  forecasting business,  all three                                                                   
are dealt with.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams started  with crude  oil  price volatility  and                                                                   
referred to a graph  on a slide. He detailed  that the prices                                                                   
were ANS West Coast dollars per  barrel. The highlighted area                                                                   
is  the 95  percent confidence  interval, which  is based  on                                                                   
statistics derived  from the mean  of daily prevailing  value                                                                   
prices.   The  average,   or  mean  price   is  $71.93.   The                                                                   
distribution, or  range of prices,  surrounds that  mean. One                                                                   
standard  statistic is  called  the standard  deviation.  Two                                                                   
standard deviations  translates to the 95  percent confidence                                                                   
level. The range is $96.54 on  the high end and $47.72 on the                                                                   
low  end. This  means that  a forecasted  number within  that                                                                   
range is correct approximately 95 percent of the time.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  noted that the low  for the calendar  year 2007                                                                   
was $47.72 per  barrel and occurred in January.  The high was                                                                   
$96.54  per barrel and  occurred in  November. He  emphasized                                                                   
that the  price more  than doubled  during  the year. If  the                                                                   
actual  volatility  was  compared with  previous  years,  the                                                                   
amount  of volatility  in 2007  was higher  than other  years                                                                   
historically.  Therefore,  volatility is  increasing.  Prices                                                                   
came  down  as rapidly  as  they  went  up  in the  cycle  of                                                                   
business commodities. He asserted the importance of this.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:18:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  turned to crude  oil production  volatility and                                                                   
referred to  a chart on ANS  crude oil production  in barrels                                                                   
per day for  the calendar year. The average  is about 739,745                                                                   
barrels  per day.  Most  of the  data points  fit  in the  95                                                                   
percent confidence interval, but  the low was 305,299 barrels                                                                   
per day, which  occurred in August. This was  associated with                                                                   
the planned  closure of the  TAPS pipeline for  the strategic                                                                   
reconfiguration.  He reminded  the  committee  of an  earlier                                                                   
discussion about  purposely lowering the forecast.  There are                                                                   
both planned and unplanned events,  which makes the situation                                                                   
more volatile and more challenging  to forecast. The field is                                                                   
mature and a lot of unpredictable things happen.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:19:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Stedman  recalled  the   accuracy  of  a  petroleum                                                                   
consultant's  testimony  regarding  production  amounts.  Dr.                                                                   
Williams agreed that  the consultant was pleased  when he saw                                                                   
the graphs. He  granted that the problem with  forecasting is                                                                   
how frequently the forecast is wrong.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams  examined cost  volatility,  which  was not  an                                                                   
issue prior to  having a net tax. He referred  to a chart put                                                                   
together by  Cambridge Energy  Research Associate  (IHS/CERA)                                                                   
depicting  the  Upstream  Capital   Cost  Index.  The  series                                                                   
depicts  historical data  from  2000 through  mid-2007 and  a                                                                   
forecast out to  the third quarter of 2007.  This is upstream                                                                   
capital  costs  only,  developed by  the  consulting  company                                                                   
using data from 28 projects world wide.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:21:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams indicated that the  rapid rise in oil prices has                                                                   
taken  oil companies  by surprise  as well  as the state.  He                                                                   
reminded the  committee that steel  is a commodity that  is a                                                                   
major  component  used in  the  oil  business. China  is  now                                                                   
exporting steel, so prices could  come down. Commodities tend                                                                   
to move in cycles.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Stedman  commented  that  industry  representatives                                                                   
have been asked to come to the  committee to talk about price                                                                   
changes in  capital costs and  to speculate about what  is in                                                                   
store for the future.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  advised getting  a spokesperson from  the steel                                                                   
industry  to talk  specifically  about who  is exporting  and                                                                   
importing, the types  of steel, and their opinions  about the                                                                   
market. The oil companies may  do their own forecasts or rely                                                                   
on  a service,  but he  stressed the  importance of  learning                                                                   
about steel.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:23:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  referred to earlier testimony  about the price                                                                   
of  oil, specifically  regarding  geopolitical  tensions.  He                                                                   
said international  experts he had spoken to  reported that a                                                                   
significant part of the rise in  oil prices was caused by the                                                                   
decline  of  the  value  of  the   U.S.  dollar  compared  to                                                                   
international  currencies,  a factor  which  was  not in  Mr.                                                                   
William's presentation.  He asked if  the costs on  the graph                                                                   
were in constant  dollars. Dr. Williams believed  the numbers                                                                   
were in nominal dollars that are indexed.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  pointed out  that what  would happen  with the                                                                   
loss of  the value of  the dollar was  not shown.  He thought                                                                   
costs would be distorted. Dr. Williams agreed.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson asked  how the  loss  of value  of the  dollar                                                                   
would  affect  costs.  Dr. Williams  deliberated  that  costs                                                                   
might  be lowered.  The 28  projects the  data was  collected                                                                   
from are located  world wide, so the currency  is foreign. He                                                                   
was not  able to  speculate on  how much  the costs  would be                                                                   
affected.  He  added that  labor  is  also  a key  factor  in                                                                   
projects around the world. This  goes beyond the value of the                                                                   
dollar;  there is  also  a lack  of petroleum  engineers.  He                                                                   
recalled when  crude oil prices  fell by 50 percent  in 1986,                                                                   
which was  the beginning  of contraction in  the oil  and gas                                                                   
industry.  There were a  lot of  mergers and acquisitions  as                                                                   
companies attempted  to remain  profitable. When  they merged                                                                   
with one  another, they  got assets and  were able  to reduce                                                                   
their administrative  overhead, so the cost  per barrel fell.                                                                   
There was less  demand for petroleum engineers  at that time,                                                                   
so people  were out  of work and  there were fewer  graduates                                                                   
from universities in the field.  Twenty years later, there is                                                                   
a demand  for petroleum engineers,  but the universities  are                                                                   
not  preparing them,  and  previously trained  engineers  are                                                                   
beginning to retire.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:27:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams concluded  his  presentation  on volatility  by                                                                   
stating  that   there  were  record  unrestricted   revenues,                                                                   
continued dependency  on oil, and volatility  in three areas:                                                                   
prices, volumes, and costs.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas  remarked  that   he  was  pleased  with  the                                                                   
volatility of crude oil because  it has been upward, and that                                                                   
he was  concerned about  production volatility  being  up and                                                                   
down.  He was  concerned  about the  volatility  of the  vast                                                                   
majority of Alaska's  revenue source. Non-oil  revenue is not                                                                   
enough to  even pay for any  one segment, such  as education.                                                                   
He wanted to consider what should  be done rather than hoping                                                                   
for increased production.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:29:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams agreed getting 90  percent of the state's income                                                                   
from oil was a major concern.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Stedman commented on  possible future revenue, which                                                                   
could  be large  enough to  equal all  other tax  collections                                                                   
outside of oil and gas.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:30:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams turned  to the subject of forecasting  crude oil                                                                   
prices. He had two types of analysis:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   1. Dollars per barrel: current and next year, comparing                                                                      
     DOR forecasts with actual dollars per barrel.                                                                              
   2. Percent error: comparing DOR with New York Mercantile                                                                     
     Exchange    (NYMEX)   and    the   Energy    Information                                                                   
     Administration (EIA) of the U.S. Department of Energy.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams began with current  year comparisons (Slide 17).                                                                   
The vertical axis  is dollars per barrel; the  horizontal has                                                                   
FY  99  through FY  08.  The  red dash  line  represents  the                                                                   
forecast for the  current fiscal year; the blue  line depicts                                                                   
actual prices.  For the  fall of 2007,  DOR is projecting  FY                                                                   
2008. He  highlighted that  the forecast  is close  to actual                                                                   
and that  DOR tends  to underestimate. The  red dash  line in                                                                   
general is  below the  blue line. The  difference is  down at                                                                   
the  bottom at  the left;  it  is about  $2 per  barrel or  7                                                                   
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams turned to Slide 18  which depicts the next year,                                                                   
which starts  in FY 2000, one  year out. He pointed  out that                                                                   
the distance between the blue  and red lines is greater. This                                                                   
is because  DOR underestimates  compared  to the actual,  and                                                                   
the error is larger,  about $12 per barrel or  32 percent. In                                                                   
the near  term, the errors are  smaller; the further  out the                                                                   
forecast, the larger the errors.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams   next  compared   DOR  forecasts   with  other                                                                   
organizations (Slide  20). On the vertical axis  of the chart                                                                   
is the percent error; the horizontal  axis has five years, FY                                                                   
03 through FY  07. Red is DOR forecasts and  shows percentage                                                                   
errors from  the actual  numbers. He pointed  out that  in FY                                                                   
03, DOR was off  8 percent, NYMEX was off 4  percent, and the                                                                   
EIA was off  1 percent. In FY  04, DOR was 13  percent, NYMEX                                                                   
13 percent,  and EIA  12 percent.  In general, DOR's  average                                                                   
error for  the current year  is about  6 percent, NYMEX  is 4                                                                   
percent, and EIA about 4 percent.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked when he  had become employed  by DOR.                                                                   
Dr. Williams replied January 2005.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams reported  that the errors are larger  across the                                                                   
board for  all the  organizations at two  years out.  The DOR                                                                   
average is  33 percent, NYMEX  is 25  percent, and EIA  is 24                                                                   
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:35:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  emphasized that  prices have  been going  up on                                                                   
all  the charts.  This  is the  first time  in  150 years  of                                                                   
recording prices  that prices have increased five  years in a                                                                   
row.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams examined the next  chart (Slide 22), which looks                                                                   
forward  and  depicts  the quarterly  prices  of  West  Texas                                                                   
Intermediate (WTI)  in dollars per barrel. At  the bottom are                                                                   
actual prices for  quarters three and four for  2007. The red                                                                   
dash line represents  DOR; the solid blue with  black squares                                                                   
line  represents  Strategic  Energy   and  Economic  Research                                                                   
(SEAR); the  pink line represents  JP Morgan; the  dark green                                                                   
line  represents  EIA; and  the  solid blue  line  represents                                                                   
Morgan Stanley.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Williams  pointed  out that DOR  forecasts prices  higher                                                                   
than  the  other  organizations,  who  say  that  prices  are                                                                   
unsustainable  at  the  current  level and  are  looking  for                                                                   
correction downward. The Organization  of Petroleum Exporting                                                                   
Countries had a meeting recently  and publicized that $80 per                                                                   
barrel was  a price  at which they  would review,  or reduce,                                                                   
production. Dr. Williams did not  know if they would do that,                                                                   
but  stated there  is  rationale  for near-term  support  for                                                                   
crude oil prices.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Williams   stated  in  summation   that  DOR   tends  to                                                                   
underestimate  actual prices,  is more  accurate in  the near                                                                   
term, and the  data is inconclusive when compared  with other                                                                   
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:38:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SB  256  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 1:39 PM.                                                                                           

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